Showing posts with label DBA. Show all posts
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Sunday, January 27, 2013

Dux Bellorum & Dark Ages Gaming



I’ve been looking for a new set of rules for Dark Ages gaming for quite a while now. I tried Impetvs but the games tend to become a shoving match (given the tactics of the time not surprising really). I like Impetvs for lots of periods, but I didn’t think it works so well  for Dark Ages games so am still on the lookout for a suitable system for the Dark Ages games.











 What about DBA?
I have discounted DBA (or Geometry Wars as I prefer to call it) because the “gaminess” inherent in the rules just annoys the hell out of me these days, I want to play a wargame, not use silly geometry tricks to game the rules. Not only that but I think there are issues with some of the lists in thee Dark Ages period. I really don't like the nAnglDanes Viking amtch u, the Angllo snes get theri butts haned to them most of the time and to my mind the pcking order is: Vikings trump Anglo-Danes, Normans trump Vikings and Anglo-Danes (and everyone else). The Norse Irish simply hide in a wood and watch the others wander past.

DBA works best IMO at double or triples level but even then the silly geometry wars aspect of the game leaves me cold these days and I want more depth and subtlety than it offers. So I can’t see me going back to DBA anytime soon. Actually, while on the subject,of DBA isn’t it about time that they entered the 21st century and actually wrote a modern rule set (i.e easily to understand, simple sentenc strucutres rather than overaly complex, allmot unfathomable complex and compoun sentnece strutures. It as a freggin set of gaming rules, not part of an insurance policy! Here are some more ideas while they are at i: use (gasp) colour photos, decent eye candy and diagrams,  a layout and font size that is actually readable. We are no longer in 1985 you know and times (and wargamers tastes) have moved on as to what we is deemed to be acceptable presentation in a rule set.

So where does that leave me? Hail Caesar or Saga possibly? I am keen to try Hail Caesar at some point (I have the rules, just lack the time) but want something suitable for smaller games and which isn’t too complicated (not that Hail Caesar is) to learn for an 11 year old. In fact if I was to put on a big game then HC would be my first choice.

 








 Saga?
The guys in CHCH are having a ball playing  Saga and it does look like fun. However, I really, really, really detest single basing. I have absolutely no interest in skirmish style gaming so although Saga seems to be a fun ruleset and is certainly very popular it just isn’t what I’m looking for. I want bases damn it, bases!











 Now, I may sound like I'm being a bit picky, and I am but there is a reason. I want to get my son to get into a bit more gaming so I want rules that are:
1.    Fast play
2.    Fun
3.    Not to rules heavy/ hard to learn
4.    Allow him to learn and develop tactical concepts and ideas.

Hott/DBA worked well when he was younger to help his maths but it’s simply roll one die and move a bit or work out the combat factors- and we played loose with the ZoC/Geometry aspect to keep games fun. But the game isn’t exactly riveting, after one game he’s usually had enough. He, likes his “Boris the Beastman” army and I am keen to get him into some more fantasy type gaming so have for some time now been on the lookout for some suitable rules.

What about War of the Ring? 
I actually bought it hoping Finn might like the game. I’ve tried it a few times but it’s not my cup of tea, a bit easy to abuse and not really the feel I’m after- Finn loves the pictures and eye candy, wasn't so excited by playing the game. The GW rules don’t reflect the books AFAIK. I like the Lord of the Rings and have read the books a dozen or more times but the GW game is too “hero” focussed (I know it was necessary to make the movies interesting/ popular) but the rules produced to GW to my mind bare little resemblance to what I want in a LoTR flavoured set of rules. In the Lord of the Ring trilogy magic is rare and subtle and the books are about ordinary people coping in extraordinary times. The heroes aren’t heroes in the modern action movie sense (despite how many of them turned out on screen). I don’t want larger than life heroes and I don’t want magic being so dominant.    

So, what is this? A rant about rules I don’t like? Maybe, but hopefully its more about why I am dissatisfied with some rules out there and still haven’t fund a ruleset that I think would suit an 11 year old.

I must admit though I’ve been tempted to create War of the Rings inspired Mordor and Isengard forces for either Impetus and Hail Caesar for games vs Finn. I think Hail Caesar would work best in that regard but now I think Dux Bellorum may fit the bill even better- and also be a better fit for Lord of the Rings themed games than the GW War of the Ring rules!

Why Dux Bellorum?

As I said earlier I haven’t really been happy with the way the “Dark Ages” forces work in Impetus or DBA so have discounted both of those and being a single figures based skirmish games Saga has been ruled out too. Lately, I’ve heard a bit about Dux Bellorum. I read a few reviews and was interested enough to order the book from Book Depository.  

It turned up on Friday so I read over the last couple of nights and must say I’m pretty impressed. Armies are about 8-12 bases (so not to big) and I like the concepts such as the leadership dice (LPs) that add a nice tactical decision making aspect to the game. The rules look simple and straight forward and easy to grasp so I really think that they should give a fast fun game with a bit of depth that DBA lacks, so I am quite hopeful Finn will find them more fun.  The rulebook is 64 pages and the rules are written clearly, in easy to follow English- take that DBA!


So what are my thoughts of Dux Bellorum?
 The rules are straight forward and clearly set out. The author adds lots of little “tactical tips” and advice that are enlightening and informative. The diagrams are a little basic but are straightforward the easy to understand. Being an Osprey publication they have lots of art from the various Ospreys sprinkled throughout and some truly gorgeous 28mm eye candy from the likes of James Morris.

The approach of the author agrees with how I prefer to play games. Here are a couple of little gems in Dux Bellorum:

P15: Movement in a miniatures game is an art, not a science: please don’t get into arguments about the odd millimetre here and there, or the exact angle being used. If you’ve playing against an opponent to whom this is important, agree before the game on what is a reasonable amount of “unit wiggle.”


Or on p 31: The close combat rules aren’t intended to be a test of geometry or cunning; I’ve tried to provide guidelines for the most common situations that will arise, so if a situation arises not governed by the rules, the general mantra is:

  •          Roll more rather than less dice
  •         Allow contact between enemies rather than preventing it.


Now those are both suggestions I prefer in my games and seems to me that the second would improve DBA a whole lot too!


Things I like about Dux Bellorum:

1.    Army size
Small forces (8-12 bases), simple rules= fast games & so are good for teaching kids!

2.    It isn’t Herohammer.
I like the fact that generals and their companions (eg Housecarls) are slightly better troops than the rank and file but by no means “uber” troops.


3.    Leadership Points (LPs)
An interesting mechanism. Kind of like “pip” dice in DBA but a lot more useful. You allocate LPs to different commands and they can be used for different things can use LPS to add extra dice in attacks, remove “hits” in combat, move out of turn (kind of like opportunity charges in Impetus) or even to improve results on bravery (morale) tests. How many die to allocate and when to use them adds a tactical decision making mechanism lacking from games such as DBA. Not only that but as you use units you also lose LPs so your ability to influence the battle decreases too.

4.    Movement
It is similar in some ways to the Warmaster/ BP approach. To move unit you need to pass a bravery (leadership) test- on 2d6. You can use the units LP (if any) to reduce your dice roll to possibly mitigate a stuff up. Optional rules allow for blunders or inspired moves so its similar to games like Hail Caesar & Warmaster- test then hopefully move (but your turn doesn't end if you ail to move a unit.

5.    Combat mechanisms
Again nice and simple and straight forward. All bases/stands/ elements/ units/ battlegroups (call them what you will) get so many dice and to hit the enemy need to equal the defenders protection (armour). For instance an ordinary warrior unit would get 5 dice +1 more if they charged. Say they were fighting a shieldwall unit (protection 6), for each 6 they rolled the warriors would score a hit. Each hit damages the unit which is reflected in a reduction to its cohesion score (like VBU in Impetvs)). Most units cohesion rating is between 4-6 (ordinary shieldwall has a 4 so can take 4 hits before being destroyed). The warriors have more attacks but less armour so the two are balanced out somewhat.

So combat is relatively fast and straightforward. Roll dice, see how many hits and reduce opponent’s cohesion. When a unit’s cohesion is reduced to 0 it is destroyed. No armour saves, fire power tests etc. Roll to hit, reduce cohesion. Nice and simple. However, remember those LPs we were talking about earlier. You can use up to 3 of those (assuming a unit has been allocated some LPs) to reduce the number of casualties, so again the players have meaningful choices. Do I use the LPs to move, use them for more dice in attack, keep them for reducing hits, or do I save them for bravery tests for my army? Decisions, decisions… 

However, it will be interesting to see how LPs work out in practice. I and see them making it hard for two shieldwall armies to damage each other, so will probably used the suggestion of only allowing a maximum of 2 LPs be used to present loss of cohesion.

6.    Strategies and Tactics
Another thing I I like are the strategies and tactics special rules. Each army can buy one or more tactics/strategies. These are bought from the points (typically 32 points) allowed for each army. You can buy things like:

Assassination: you try to assassinate the enemy commander before the game. If you succeed (highly unlikely) the opponent loses 3LP for the game as their leader has been killed and replaced, major failure means your enemy gains fame for foiling the attempt and gains +1 LP for the game!

Other rules allow your army to get drunk before the game, or monks improve leadership dice, or you can even have a mob of stampeding sheep to run amok at a critical time in the battle.

These rules are quirky and fun and add another dimension to a pretty straight forward game.

7.    Army Lists
Seem to be clear, are set out easily and allow some flexibility in unit choice.

Things I’m not sure about:
The only thing I’m a bit doubtful about is break test mechanism. When you army takes 50% losses (excluding skirmishers ) each unit on table must pass a morale test or flee. I guess in reality this means only 3-4 tests are needed but I first thought, hmm, more dice rolling. However, on reflection, I’m sure it would work and means your army won’t all run away at once and will start to drift off as some units morale breaks, eventually this trickle becomes a flood and you will lose the game but have a chance to salvage something before it all implodes- actually that is pretty cool really!
 My concern with this system was would it work in larger games (something I immediately thought of doing) but we’ll probably go for multiple armies/commands rather than two large ones in those instances.

Would it work for Lord of the Rings?
I’ve been giving a bit more thought to a Lord of the Rings adaptation. I never really liked Peter Jackson’s portrayal of Gondor. I think he got Rohan pretty much spot on but the full plate armour of Gondor is, as far as I’m concerned, completely out of kilter with the Anglo-Saxon history that inspired/ influenced Tolkien’s works. I understand why Jackson chose the style of armours he did in that from a cinematographic point of view it was it visually easy to distinguish Rohan and Gondor but each time I watch the movies it still strikes me as wrong.

Dux Bellorum is designed for Dark Ages gaming. Lord of the Rings was inspired by Tolkiens research into Anglo Saxon England, so to me it seems a natural, and logical match up to use it for this genre.

Thinking about the armies I think the following lists will work:

Gondor: Late Roman (but with up to 6 units of warriors allowed)- and use Late Roman figures rather than silly renaissance era wannabes.

Rohan:   Romano-British- with an emphasis on lots of cavalry!

Isengard: Land raiders (can use trolls as Noble riders and wargs as ordinary riders) or possible even Pictish list but allow a second troll- er, I mean noble rider)

 I’ve already come up with a couple of armies to test the rules:

Rohan (using Post Roman Britions)
1          Mounted Companions
1          Noble Riders
3          Ordinary Riders
3          Ordinary Shieldwall
1          Foot Bow
1          Foot Skirmishers

Boris the Beastman Army (adapted from Land Raiders)
1          Boris the Beastman (Mt Companions)
1          Beastman Cataphract Riders)
5          Ogres (Ordinary Warriors)
2          Wargs (War Dogs)

Okay so Boris’s army is more of a generic fantasy army but the same army can be run using GW trolls instead of beastmen and Urak Hai instead of ogres to Middle Earth-ise it. 

I am also keen to use Dux Bellorum  with other historical eras and see it being useful for lists up to 1066 and beyond too. In fact with a little tinkering I see them as being easy to adapt for other eras and will definitely replace DBA for that smaller (8-12 base) category “lighter” game in my gaming stable so can see me breaking my “no more rules mantra”, at least this once. In fact I can’t wait to try them out.

So overall thoughts. It seems simple, fast and fun and I am very, very keen to try it out. 
 
Now, time to dig out those Westwind Saxons/Visigoths, Post Roman/Arthurian Britons and Welsh I’ve had languishing in my lead pile!


Craig

Thursday, March 29, 2012

DBA- Alans vs Visigoths

DBA? Yes, you heard that right. The guys have been humouring Kent and I and by playing Impetus so time to repay the favour. I haven't played DBA in a couple of years- I got fed up with "Geometry Wars" and micromanaging angles and play the "game"rather than the "wargame."

Any how, lately the guys have been playing lots of the new version so it was time to give it a try- vs Simon and his Visigoths. I like the visigoths and have had fun using them vs Ian in the past (I've a 28mm version waiting to be 0paitned at present). So the only 15mm army I could find was my Alans so it was light horse + knights vs massed bow, warband and cavalry.


Game 1
I got to defend so made it nice and cav friendly- despite the new terrain rules which  I liked.

 My knights slip over to support my light horse vs the cavalry.
 Blades now follow up- and get into trouble vs warband.
 My light horse have made a hole in the enemy line.
 Can we take advantage? Hell yes!

 From 3 -1 down we come back to  in 4-3.

Game 2: Simon aka "Give me a water feature damn it" living up to his name! My plan? Try to cross the river on the left and see what happens. Okay so not much of a plan. 
 Well, 2 units got across- then his bow kept my reinforcements at bay. MY blades have charged across the ford and follow up into arband- not sure I am used to the new blade follow up rules.
 Simon reinforces vs my badly outnumbered light cav.
 End game- now that is what I call surrounded! 5-1 to Simon.
 Game 3- Simon got to defend again. Hmm, I detect a theme.
 Our war correspondent was killed early on in this debacle. I managed to get 2x knights shot full of arrows before they could retreat out of range then Simon unleashed his warband. 4-2 to Simon. 
Thoughts?
I enjoyed the games. It was fun and less micromanaging than previous versions. I liked the longer ranges for bows and  movement  but think a 30" board is even more necessary than ever before- and I've been a bg fan of 30" boards for along, long time. So I think I might play the odd game in future.

Craig

Monday, August 16, 2010

TAGCON & Terrain

This weekend is the annual tournament that I started back in 2003. I organised the first 4 TAGCONS myself but in the past three years or so I've stepped away from organising and now simply take part. My claim to fame is helping get DBA established in the club and coming 2nd in the first ever DBA comp at TAG (beginners luck!). Not a bad effort considering that I was actually umpring the FoW comp and only taking part to help out with numbers between umpiring duties. I lost the final vs Keith's Samurai and will be looking for a rematch this weekend all going well.

Since then DBA has undergone a resurgence locally and in Christchurch and now there are a number of comps throughout the year. In fact I think South Canterbury and Christchruch are probably the strongholds of DBA in New Zealand.

This year we are a little light on numbers with a couple of people not being able to make it due to other commitments but have 9 1/2 players- Dave can't play in the morning so will fill in the afternoon three rounds. Hopefully we can find another local to play the morning byes.

Haven't really put much thought into my army, having been focusing on 28mm Impetus forces of late (as readers are probably aware) so have decided to go with the Alans (II/58). I'd love to be able to field the all light horse version- just because, but will go for a more balanced army (4 knights, 2 blades, psiloi and the rest light horse) most of the time. A few more palytest games this Wednesday are in order.

I've decided to go with the Steppe version (if defending) to get as much good going terrain as I can. So tonight I've made some hills, woods/rough going for the army. [Well technically the hills were done over the weekend and simply painted and flocked tonight].







Alla re based on some cork tile I had lying around. The hills then have some polystyrene glued on and permafilla added, once dried the hill is painted in PVA glue and covered in beach sand, then painted black dry brushed with a dark then light brown before Woodlands scenic grass is added. I may add some silflor grasses yet, but it isn't cheap and aren't sure if its worth wasting on these terrain pieces. The hills have a cret and aren't too steep so that (hopefully) figures don't slide off too much.

The woods/rough are even easier, simply covered in PVA and beach sand before painted and flocked using the same process as the hills.

Not too bad and they look much better than a strip of felt or cloth and are pretty straight forward (and fast) to make.

Craig

Sunday, July 25, 2010

Rivers & Roads

I was a bit bored yesterday so thought I'd make some rivers and roads for DBA.

Materials
4mm cork tile
permafilla (for river banks)
sand
paint

Very basic- each section is 4cm wide x 30cm long. They look reasonable though.





Do I need 8 road sections? Not really, I've done 2 each for dry/desert boards and arable terrain for myself and 2 for the club. I'll eventually get round to making some rivers for the club but wanted to experiment with first.

Craig

Friday, July 23, 2010

DBA & Terrain

I managed 2 games of Alans vs Sassanid Persians at TAG on Wednesday. Barry and I took turn about with each army, the result was 2-0 to the Alans and once victory to each of us- the Alans knights being the deciding factor in both games

Last night I headed up to Christchurch as I had a course today and a managed 4 games of DBA last night vs Ian (we decided DBA was going to be less hassle to set up than Impetus).

Alas the score was 3-1 to Ian but we had some very entertaining games, including one where he survived 6 attacks with the door closed which would have cost him the game! Grrr... When the dice hate you, they hate you! I was mainly using Picts, which I surprised myself by enjoying using, and Ian used Sub Roman Britons.

Anyway I took a couple of snaps of his figures & terrain. All his armies are based 40mm square and look good as does his scratch built terrain.



Sub Roman British spear.


The first game- Scots-Irish vs Sub Romans Britons.


The Scots-Irish "Do a Harold" and hang out on the hill.


Roman Villa





Pictish village


Very talented, pity he usually only games when he comes down to my place or I visit him!

Craig

Tuesday, July 20, 2010

DBA II/69 Sassanids & II 58/ Alans

Today the last of my Sassanid army arrived- too late for the weekend alas, but they are now paitned up and ready to go. Perhaps with their own Sassanid Elephant and hordes the army will start to perform better!

The AB miniatures are lovely models, I'll definitely be getting more in future (as if I need more 15mm!).

2x Hordes- levy.


2x Hordes, 1x elephant and Cavalry General- all AB figures.


The Cavalry- mainly Legio Heroica Muslims.




Essex Light horse and auxilia.


Alans II/58
I've always liked light horse armies but they do struggle in DBA. I made a Hun army about 5 years ago but have hardly sued it, last night I rebased it and renamed it Alans.

The mounted are all Essex Huns if I remember correctly. I rebased them last night.

6x Elements of Light Horse- in most situations I'll only use 5 though- I thnk I can fiedl aobut 8-10 if I really wanted to.


4x Knights- the heavy hitters.


2x Blade, 1x Psiloi. Splintered Light Saxons which will represent various goth heavy infantry. Another great range Splintered light.




Impetus Battle?
I also painted up the general stand for my Impetus Numidians. I have to be in Christchurch for some training on Friday so may take the Romans and Numidians and give Ian a game while I'm there.

Impetus Crusaders
Kent has just ordered the start of a Crusader army with Perry miniatures so I'll have to get cracking on finishing the Syrians soon.

Craig

Sunday, July 11, 2010

DBA Sassanid Persians

The Cavalry and infantry (so far) are finished, now awaiting the AB figures for the command stand, elephant and 2 stands of Hordes and we are good to go.





Saturday, July 10, 2010

DBA II/56 Early Imperial Romans

The Roman Cavalry is completed using Foundry figures.

Now I've only the archers to go to finish the army, which is getting towards 500 pts for Impetus.




Next up Sassanid Persians, well technically, Syrians. A mix of Essex figures (the Arab allies- originally from my 1s Syrain army) and Legio Heroica Muslims (from last years abortive project to do 1st Crusades and Syrians for Impetus in 15mm). Given that I intend to build both Syrian and Sassanid Persians in 28mm I don't see the point in forking out for a complete 15mm army too,especially when I'm trying to move away from 15mm as much as I can. The plan is to morph the Cav for both the Sassanids and Syrians and just change the support options to the appropriate ones for the army I'm using. Not 100% accurate, but in 15mm who really cares, I've seen a lot stranger morphs at TAG over the years.

I painted up these Legio Heroica figures last night- great figures, some of the best 15mm I've had the pleasure to paint. The army is still WIP as I need to complete the bases.

Knight and Cavalry.




The knight element- Armoured Ghulams (or for the next wee while Sassanid cataphracts)



And Essex Arabs. I'm not really a fan of Essex but their Arabs are worth getting- nicely cast and animated figures. They fit well size with with the Legio Heroica ones as well.


So now I only need my hordes of levy infantry and elephant to complete the force.

Craig

Friday, July 9, 2010

A(nother) Change Plans

Another sight change of plans. Kent and I managed not to have our Impetus Game on Wednesday night, partly due to it being TAG's AGM (not that we knew that till we got to the club) and partly because he had just received an order of 28mm Imperial Romans so we went round to his place and organised them as there wasn't going to be any gaming at the club till the AGM was out of the way. Given all his painting commissions I'm not sure when he'll get round to painting them up as they'll no doubt have to wait until he's done his commission work. However, it does mean we'll have enough Romans for a BIG demo game next year so we'll have to sort out a battle to refight.

I did manage to get off him enough cavalry to do two units of Cav for my Imperial Romans, which I painted up last night and now only have to finish the bases. I didn't like the Wargames Factory models- too big compared to the Warlord Games ones and the detail not crisp enough for me. I was thinking of ordering some Warlord Games Roman Cav so the timing was excellent. I also got enough archers to make 2 units of Western Archers and also some engineers to make a camp so have more than eought for my starter force.

Next weekend is the DBA comp in ChCh so was supposed to be testing my force next week at the club but Kent and I will do our Impetus demo game then instead, I'd much rather play Impetus than "Geometry Wars".

I've been seriously thinking about my Numidian force and whether or not Light Horse armies can be competitive on 24" square tables. I'm not convinced they can so am tempted to take a Sassanid Persian army instead! To that end I ordered the models from Eureka today (AB Sassanid General, infantry and Ca)v and so now have to cross my fingers they arrive in time to paint for next weekends comp. As long as they arrive Tuesday or Wednesday I'll be fine. I've quite a few Arab types lying round that will be sued for the Cav and cataphracts (tonight's job to rebase them).

Lots of Cavalry, elephant and 2 elements of Hordes, an interesting army. Not sure if changing this late is a good idea but we'll have to wait and see, and no doubt using the army BEFORE the comp is probably a good idea too!.

Now I just have to resist the temptation t0 build the Sassanid Persians in 28mm for Impetus- at least for a wee while till I clear some of my current projects from the backlog.

Craig

Tuesday, June 29, 2010

Desert Terrain

Here are the finished hills and woods for the 15mm Numidians and Carthaginians